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Date:		 RE: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up
Kevin Keast
Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:15:20 -0500
Tue, 21 Dec 1999 19:15:20 -0500 
Hi Tom,

Glad to hear things are working so far.  I am not sure what the 924's sink
when active.  I would guess it is not much (Is it on the spec sheet?).  I
also tried to check my Power Supply but it is on the bottom.  If I remember
mine was a little bigger but not much.  I will look for my ELK relay spec
sheet I thought it was on there.

For All those with the DSC systems I have a question:

I am trying to set up a zone-follower type zone.  In other words I want to
trigger my low power outputs when a zone is violated (regardless if the
system is armed or not).  I know I need to program the DSC zone and the PGM
output but I don't know what combo will do the trick or if it is even
possible.  The idea here is to send the PGM outputs into HV so I know when
someone is in a particular zone.  I see there is a "keypad buzzer follow"
but that does not include "zone follow".

If I can do this I won't have to buy those dual N/O N/C PIR sensors to track
motion throughout the house.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Kevin
    -----Original Message-----
    From: Tom Hutchins [mailto:hutchins_ta@fuse.net]
    Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:53 AM
    To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
    Subject: Re: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up


    All,

    I got the HV and DSC hooked up now so that the HV knows if the DSC is
armed or disarmed(thanks Kevin and Martin).  And I got the Intercom
installed and working. Not yet hooked up to ECS but thats on the list.

    I want to have ECS/HV be able to arm disarm the DSC if someone forgets
to when going to work / school and also at night / morning. I picked up some
of the ELK sensitive relays and figured out how to hook them up. The only
question left is how big does the external 12V power supply need to be? I
have some old wall warts around that are rated at 300ma 12V DC. Will they
work or do I need something w/ a little more power.

    Thanks,

    Tom
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Kevin Keast
        To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
        Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:18 PM
        Subject: RE: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up


        DON'T HOOK UP PORT A DIRECTLY TO A ZONE.

        I have a HV-PC and use PORT A for controlling the relay for the
keyswitch zone on the DSC.  PORT A can only DRIVE relays or CMOS circuits.
IT IS NOT A RELAY ITSELF.  Port C could be used to drive a relay also if you
specify it as an output.


        I use a relay for the keyswitch zone because you need to "complete
the circuit" for the zone.    I use ELK 924 SPDT Sensitive relays.  They are
really nice and have not failed me.  They require a separate 12V Power
Supply.  I also use these relays on my garage door openers.  Worthington
Distributors has them for about $9 each.  Craig also has application notes
on his website for quick easy setup.

        Using CAT5 wire from your HV-PC to the relay should work fine.


        Hope this helps,

        Kevin
            -----Original Message-----
            From: Tom Hutchins [mailto:hutchins_ta@fuse.net]
            Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 1:48 PM
            To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
            Subject: Re: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up


            Kevin / Martin,

            Sounds great! I just got all of my HV IO ports run to  a wiring
closet & terminated. Now I'm trying to figure out how to make use of them. I
think I understand the DSC alarm status, simply connect one contact from the
low output PGM1 to input #1 PORT B and the other to the PORT B ground.

            However, I am confused about the ability to arm / disarm the
system, I thought I could simply hook up a connection from either PORT A or
PORT C to an unsed zone and define it as a keyswitch zone. But you both
speak of a relay being necessary to accomplish this. I assume therefore that
only PORT A is usable, but I'm still a little fuzzy about the hook up. I
thought that PORT A was a relay. But since you both discuss an external
relay ie. ELK / Prarie Digital I guess I'm wrong. Could one or both of you
please enlighten, me on this. Is there an external power source needed? If
so what kind and can any relay be used or would you recommend ELK / PD.

            Sorry for all the questions, but since I'm obviously confused I
don't want to hook up anything wrong and fry the HV or the DSC.

            Thanks,

            Tom

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Kevin Keast
                To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
                Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:24 PM
                Subject: RE: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up


                Hello All,

                I have the DSC 832 (PC5010) and the intercom system(PC5928)
and the low current 8 output module (PC5208).

                I have a keyswitch zone which allows arming/disarming of the
system:  The HV output is directly connected to an ELK relay that closes for
3 seconds (just like what Martin Terry has ).  The relay is connected to one
of the DSC 832 zones to arm/disarm the system.  NOTE:  I had to use a EOL
resistor 5.6K ohms did the trick. See page 11 of PC5010 Installation manual.

                I have one of the DSC 832 low power outputs going directly
to a HV-PC input - this is programmed to tell me if the system is armed or
not.

                Intercom:
                I have three intercoms on the system right now.  I am using
the radio/aux input feature for ECS to speak to the house "works super!".  I
have the output of the sound card signal connected to the " " terminal and
the ground to ground - Only problem is that I get a low hiss on the intercom
stations - DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS?

                SR: I have trained MS SDK using the intercoms.  The first
time: with great results, the second: not so great.  Since then SDK has not
functioned properly (I have never had much luck with this).  I am determined
to eventually get it working though.  Another problem is that you can only
tap the microphone input for one of the intercom stations ( I Think ).  So I
am thinking that a microphone mixer will be needed at some point to combine
inputs.

                That is about it right now.  I love the DSC 832 so far. Good
Luck and keep in touch with your progress!
                General Question:  How do I wire up the zone -following
function?  Can I run the zone right into my HV-PC?

                Kevin
                    -----Original Message-----
                    From: Tom Hutchins [mailto:hutchins_ta@fuse.net]
                    Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 12:19 PM
                    To: homevision-users@warren.mentorg.com;
ecs-list@netbloc.com
                    Subject: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up


                    All,

                    I want to set up my HV-PC / ECS system to interface with
my security system (DSC Power 832). I want to run the HV ports to a wiring
closet so that I can home run wiring from there. My question is can I simply
run 4 pair cat 5 cable from the HV itself to a terminal strip in my wiring
closet and from there to the security system ect (I realize it won't be '
CAT 5' any more but I already got the wire)? Also, does each port require a
separate ground / common or can all be tied together.

                    Has any one out there tried this combination? I want to
use ECS to determine if the system is armed or not and arm it at the
appropriate times. I also want to have certain things happen depending on if
the system is armed / disarmed in the away / stay mode based upon the time
of day, turn on/off lights ect. I also would like it to do certain things
depending on who arms / disarms (wife / kids each have their own code). Last
but not least I want ECS to phone me in the event of alarm with seperate
messages for intruder / fire / CO ect.
                    I know its alot but what the hey, Christmas vacation is
coming up so I'll have a little time to play.

                    PS. I have the DSC 832 intercom system installed and
would like to pipe background xmas music / CID / ECS messages through the
system as well as use the built in mics for speech recognition. Any
thoughts?

                    Thanks,
                    Tom
Hi Tom,
 
Glad to hear things are working so far.  I am not sure what the 924's sink when active.  I would guess it is not much (Is it on the spec sheet?).  I also tried to check my Power Supply but it is on the bottom.  If I remember mine was a little bigger but not much.  I will look for my ELK relay spec sheet I thought it was on there.
 
For All those with the DSC systems I have a question:
 
I am trying to set up a zone-follower type zone.  In other words I want to trigger my low power outputs when a zone is violated (regardless if the system is armed or not).  I know I need to program the DSC zone and the PGM output but I don't know what combo will do the trick or if it is even possible.  The idea here is to send the PGM outputs into HV so I know when someone is in a particular zone.  I see there is a "keypad buzzer follow" but that does not include "zone follow".
 
If I can do this I won't have to buy those dual N/O N/C PIR sensors to track motion throughout the house.
 
Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hutchins [mailto:hutchins ta@fuse.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:53 AM
To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
Subject: Re: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up

All,
 
I got the HV and DSC hooked up now so that the HV knows if the DSC is armed or disarmed(thanks Kevin and Martin).  And I got the Intercom installed and working. Not yet hooked up to ECS but thats on the list.
 
I want to have ECS/HV be able to arm disarm the DSC if someone forgets to when going to work / school and also at night / morning. I picked up some of the ELK sensitive relays and figured out how to hook them up. The only question left is how big does the external 12V power supply need to be? I have some old wall warts around that are rated at 300ma 12V DC. Will they work or do I need something w/ a little more power.
 
Thanks,
 
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Keast
To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 6:18 PM
Subject: RE: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up

DON'T HOOK UP PORT A DIRECTLY TO A ZONE.
 
I have a HV-PC and use PORT A for controlling the relay for the keyswitch zone on the DSC.  PORT A can only DRIVE relays or CMOS circuits.  IT IS NOT A RELAY ITSELF.  Port C could be used to drive a relay also if you specify it as an output.
 
 
I use a relay for the keyswitch zone because you need to "complete the circuit" for the zone.    I use ELK 924 SPDT Sensitive relays.  They are really nice and have not failed me.  They require a separate 12V Power Supply.  I also use these relays on my garage door openers.  Worthington Distributors has them for about $9 each.  Craig also has application notes on his website for quick easy setup.
 
Using CAT5 wire from your HV-PC to the relay should work fine.
 
 
Hope this helps,
 
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hutchins [mailto:hutchins ta@fuse.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 1999 1:48 PM
To: ecs-list@netbloc.com
Subject: Re: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up

Kevin / Martin,
 
Sounds great! I just got all of my HV IO ports run to  a wiring closet & terminated. Now I'm trying to figure out how to make use of them. I think I understand the DSC alarm status, simply connect one contact from the low output PGM1 to input #1 PORT B and the other to the PORT B ground.
 
However, I am confused about the ability to arm / disarm the system, I thought I could simply hook up a connection from either PORT A or PORT C to an unsed zone and define it as a keyswitch zone. But you both speak of a relay being necessary to accomplish this. I assume therefore that only PORT A is usable, but I'm still a little fuzzy about the hook up. I thought that PORT A was a relay. But since you both discuss an external relay ie. ELK / Prarie Digital I guess I'm wrong. Could one or both of you please enlighten, me on this. Is there an external power source needed? If so what kind and can any relay be used or would you recommend ELK / PD.
 
Sorry for all the questions, but since I'm obviously confused I don't want to hook up anything wrong and fry the HV or the DSC.
 
Thanks,
 
Tom
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, December 13, 1999 10:24 PM
Subject: RE: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up

Hello All,
 
I have the DSC 832 (PC5010) and the intercom system(PC5928) and the low current 8 output module (PC5208). 
 
I have a keyswitch zone which allows arming/disarming of the system:  The HV output is directly connected to an ELK relay that closes for 3 seconds (just like what Martin Terry has ).  The relay is connected to one of the DSC 832 zones to arm/disarm the system.  NOTE:  I had to use a EOL resistor 5.6K ohms did the trick. See page 11 of PC5010 Installation manual.
 
I have one of the DSC 832 low power outputs going directly to a HV-PC input - this is programmed to tell me if the system is armed or not.
 
Intercom:
I have three intercoms on the system right now.  I am using the radio/aux input feature for ECS to speak to the house "works super!".  I have the output of the sound card signal connected to the " " terminal and the ground to ground - Only problem is that I get a low hiss on the intercom stations - DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO FIX THIS?
 
SR: I have trained MS SDK using the intercoms.  The first time: with great results, the second: not so great.  Since then SDK has not functioned properly (I have never had much luck with this).  I am determined to eventually get it working though.  Another problem is that you can only tap the microphone input for one of the intercom stations ( I Think ).  So I am thinking that a microphone mixer will be needed at some point to combine inputs.
 
That is about it right now.  I love the DSC 832 so far. Good Luck and keep in touch with your progress!
General Question:  How do I wire up the zone -following function?  Can I run the zone right into my HV-PC?
 
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Hutchins [mailto:hutchins ta@fuse.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 12:19 PM
To: homevision-users@warren.mentorg.com; ecs-list@netbloc.com
Subject: [ECS] HV PC IO port hook-up

All,
 
I want to set up my HV-PC / ECS system to interface with my security system (DSC Power 832). I want to run the HV ports to a wiring closet so that I can home run wiring from there. My question is can I simply run 4 pair cat 5 cable from the HV itself to a terminal strip in my wiring closet and from there to the security system ect (I realize it won't be ' CAT 5' any more but I already got the wire)? Also, does each port require a separate ground / common or can all be tied together.
 
Has any one out there tried this combination? I want to use ECS to determine if the system is armed or not and arm it at the appropriate times. I also want to have certain things happen depending on if the system is armed / disarmed in the away / stay mode based upon the time of day, turn on/off lights ect. I also would like it to do certain things depending on who arms / disarms (wife / kids each have their own code). Last but not least I want ECS to phone me in the event of alarm with seperate messages for intruder / fire / CO ect.
I know its alot but what the hey, Christmas vacation is coming up so I'll have a little time to play.
 
PS. I have the DSC 832 intercom system installed and would like to pipe background xmas music / CID / ECS messages through the system as well as use the built in mics for speech recognition. Any thoughts?
 
Thanks,
Tom
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