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| Subject: From: Date: | RE: [ECS] PhoneRider questions answered Richard V.C. Tinker Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:40:25 -0500 |
Well, having looked at both of these solutions for HAL, I can tell you that neither is without its pitfalls. Both companies support TAPI, but to take advantage of many of the features of the boards, Dialogic tells you to use their API instead of TAPI. The PhoneRider supports standard TAPI 2.0, but that does not support very well many of the local handset features. TAPI 3.0 supports the local handset better, and the PhoneRider USB is the first I have seen that is TAPI 3.0 compliant, but which operating systems have TAPI 3.0 support written for them? If the newer USB support really does require a motherboard change-out, then the ISA solution PhoneRider or PCI Dialogic may be the way to go. Keep in mind that the Dialogic boards are not modems - that is, you would need one phone line for the Dialogic board and one for your Internet connection if you use dial-up for the Internet. This is because it will get complicated trying to manage one phone line looped through both devices. Since Intel bought Dialogic, my guess is that the ISA PhoneRider is the way to go money-wise. TAPI is the way to go to support many different devices in a lowest-common-denominator fashion. This is why HAL gave up and went back to using the modem's AT command set and instead put extensibility into the AT commands so that many different modems can be used with it (in a future version). I am just getting re-acquainted with where Mark has taken ECS over the past couple of years, and I am especially keen on finding out if telephony is supported anywhere as well with the Windows version as it was with the old DOS 3.4 version with the BigMouth board. If it is not there yet, then if somebody got Mark a PhoneRider to use for development purposes, I'll pay part of Mark's fees for developing a new device interface to get it working with ECS. My $0.02 worth after lurking on this list for the past 2.5 years... Regards, Rick -----Original Message----- From: Chamberlain, Brad [mailto:bchamber@lmberry.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:27 PM To: 'ecs-list@netbloc.com' Subject: RE: [ECS] PhoneRider questions answered If Mark adds support for TAPI, the user will then be free to choose whatever TAPI compliant devices he deems best for his situation. Both the Phonerider and newer Dialogic cards are TAPI compliant. Does JTAPI extend TAPI functionality to LINUX? If so than I think this is the direction Mark's development should go. Brad -----Original Message----- From: joerut@epix.net [mailto:joerut@epix.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 11:28 AM To: ecs-list@netbloc.com Subject: Re: [ECS] PhoneRider questions answered I am still convinced (In my opinion) that Dialogic is by far the best choice as far as their reputation is concerned. They seem to have a good deal of the market when it comes to telephone products. From the looks of the Phone Rider it could be a complicated (not to mention expensive) process to get things working correctly. I think it would be much easier to find a motherboard with an ISA slot to accomodate the Dialogic than it would be to use not so popular brand telephone device just because it is USB compatable and may be out of business in a year or two. This issue seems to be ongoing with most users in one form or another. If anyone out there has a PERFECT WORKING phone system can you please contact me and let me know your setup. Thanks Joe Rut > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: PhoneRider question</TITLE> > <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> > <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> > <BODY> > <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN > class=900045613-22112000>Guys,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN > class=900045613-22112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=900045613-22112000>I sent > > a note to the PhoneRider folks Joe told us about. Thought you might want to see > > the response. (Read from the bottom up.)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN > class=900045613-22112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN > class=900045613-22112000>--David</SPAN></FONT></DIV> > <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN > class=900045613-22112000></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> > <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Support > [mailto:Support@mediaphonics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 22, 2000 > > 3:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> David Kindred<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: PhoneRider > question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> > <P><FONT size=2>Hello David,</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>Thank you for your interest in our products.</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>With the PhoneRider you will get THE good telephony > solution.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Yes, we detect handset on/off hook, you can > remote control through</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>distant telephone or local > telephone using DTMF.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To pick up a phone in the house, > > and use the computer, this</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>telephone must be connected > > onto the PhoneRider. You can connect</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>2 telephones on the > > same PhoneRider but this is not a usual way.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Each USB > device handles 1 line, but you can have several devices</FONT> <BR><FONT > size=2>connected to the same computer. We guarantee and tested 4 devices,</FONT> > > <BR><FONT size=2>but you can connect more.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>For your > application you can have 2 PhoneRider with 2 incoming</FONT> <BR><FONT > size=2>lines. 1 "local" handset, and 1 "house" handset on the second > board</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>and the program can manage both lines and > telephones inside the same</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>computer.</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>Don't bother about my time and please, do not hesitate to > contact us,</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>should you need any further > information.</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>Best regards,</FONT> </P> > <P> <FONT size=2>Olivier MULLER</FONT> > > <BR> <FONT size=2>Support > Engineer</FONT> <BR> <FONT > size=2>MediaPhonics, IP & Telephony Solutions</FONT> > <BR> <FONT size=2>Email: <A > href="mailto:support@mediaphonics.com">mailto:support@mediaphonics.com</A></ FONT > > > <BR> <FONT size=2>Web: <A > > href="http://www.mediaphonics.com" > target=_blank>http://www.mediaphonics.com</A></FONT> > <BR> <FONT size=2>News: <A > href="nntp://news.mediaphonics.com" > target=_blank>nntp://news.mediaphonics.com</A></FONT> </P><BR> > <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: David > > Kindred [<A > href="mailto:david@retroscape.com">mailto:david@retroscape.com</A>]</FONT> > <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: mardi, 21. novembre 2000 18:21</FONT> <BR><FONT > size=2>To: support@mediaphonics.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: PhoneRider > > question</FONT> </P><BR> > <P><FONT size=2>Hi, folks.</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>A group of us home automation enthusiasts is looking for a good > > telephony</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>solution. Your board looks good. Could you > tell me if it is able to detect</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>local handset on/off > hook and receive DTMF through the same local handset?</FONT> <BR><FONT > size=2>We'd like our application to be able to have standard voice mail > functions</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>(including dial-in DTMF), but we'd also like > > to pick up a phone in our</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>house, hit # and then have the > > computer take over the line inside the house</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>for further > > voice prompted instructions. Is this possible with your</FONT> <BR><FONT > size=2>hardware? More importantly, will your 2-line USB unit support this</FONT> > > <BR><FONT size=2>functionality?</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>Much thanks for your time.</FONT> </P> > <P><FONT size=2>--David</FONT> </P></BODY></HTML>