ecs@netbloc.com: 692: RE: [ecs] MSVM problem

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RE: [ecs] MSVM problem
wtwalters.comcast.net
Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:59:37 +0000
Mark,

I guess I'm not seeing any of the problems you're experiencing because I'm not using
ECS II.  My comments on "working just as well" refer to java applications working in
ordinary IE pages thru the network.  

I have noticed that sometimes java applications seem to load extremely slowly but I
attributed that to the slowness of the internet.  Perhaps that isn't the only reason?!?

I have also recently loaded Mozilla browser and was forced to get the latest version
of Java for it to work inside Mozilla.... although I havent noticed any problems on
the internet with java applications, I did try logging into my house (ECS Legacy). 
I can log-in and see initial stuff ok, but when I select a particular screen, all I
get is greyed out backgrounds...  Java console reports "ecsio... bad magic number"..
 Whattaver the heck that is.

I checked with a W98 computer using IE and it loads/looks fine, so the problem is definately
with java on my laptop.  (Java runtime 1.4.2-04, Java 1.4.2-02 ran just fine, thank
you very much!).

Again, no concern of yours, this is with ECSL, NOT your current product.

Arraugh!  All in the efforts to reduce spam.  Dang Mozilla and Dang Java!

Java.Com has a developers section on their site, perhaps they have some suggestions
that might provide tighter coding for java apps?

In any event, certainly the fact that java now comes from a separate source than the
OS will result in a product that isn't as tightly integrated, which would (could) reduce
speed/throughput overall.

Lastly, I'm a non-programmer, non-technozoid.  Your mileage may vary ;<}

Bill


Bill
> Hi Bill,
> Your judgement that Sun's JAVA "works just as well" is most puzzling 
> (though perhaps promising).
> I have found it to be EXTREMELY slow (at 2.4 GHZ).
> When I exit an ECS Page, each applet box closes in sequence (taking 5-10 
> second to close all).
> When I press [shift] to display a Property menu in the Script editor, it 
> takes 20-30 seconds to display it.
> Are you not seeing these problems ?
> If not, do you have any theories as to why ?
> btw, I am having the problems on XP *and* Linux, and am using the latest 
> revs of the JRE.
> Thanks,
> 
> At 02:47 AM 4/20/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> 
> >Mark,
> >
> >I seem to remember, when I got a new XP PRo system to install on my desktop,
> >that per court order, Microsoft had to discontinue production/distribution
> >of their VM.  Plus, newer revisions to I.E. had to not use the old microsoft
> >virtual machine stuff.  You now have to load/use the Sun Java stuff...  Most
> >computers coming from suppliers/OEM's pre-load the new java stuff from Sun
> >to alleviate customer heartaches...
> >
> >All due to court proceedings, if I remember correctly, not by choice of
> >Master Gates..
> >
> >Go to sun site and get their java stuff.  It should work just a well,
> >although not nearly as transparently...
> >
> >Bill Walters
> >
> > > it *appears* that the latest rev of I.E. has disabled all support for 
> > the MSVM.
> > > so i need to verify this and/or determine how to dl an older version (if
> > > that's possible).
> > > i hate gates.
> > >
> > > At 07:54 PM 4/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I'm not sure if it's the same - at least for XP. I've installed java
> > > >from the java web site on XP machines running ECS and have had no
> > > >problems, might be worth a try.
> > > >
> > > >Leland
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Mark Gilmore [mailto:mark@OmnipotenceSoftware.com]
> > > >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:45 PM
> > > >To: ecs@netbloc.com
> > > >Subject: RE: [ecs] MSVM problem
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >we are installing the MSVM (available from numerous sources). why is the
> > > >source web-site important ?
> > > >
> > > >At 07:43 PM 4/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Mark -
> > > > >
> > > > >Are you installing java from www.java.com?
> > > > >
> > > > >Leland
> > > > >lhelgerson@surplushunter.net
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >From: Mark Gilmore [mailto:mark@OmnipotenceSoftware.com]
> > > > >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 5:05 PM
> > > > >To: ecs@netbloc.com
> > > > >Subject: [ecs] MSVM problem
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >I have a customer with a brand new Dell PC.
> > > > >It is running the latest version of I.E. (6.0.2800) (same as mine).
> > > > >After installing the MSVM (MS JAVA RTE), the "Microsoft VM" selections
> > > > >do *not* appear in I.E.'s TOOLS/ADVANCED window. I can
> > > > >remove/re-install the MSVM without any problems. Any ideas ? Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > >Mark Gilmore
> > > > >http://OmnipotenceSoftware.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> Mark Gilmore
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