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RE: [ecs] MSVM problem Mark Gilmore Mon, 03 May 2004 05:17:37 -0700

Mon, 03 May 2004 05:17:37 -0700

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Hi Ingo,
I have recently read in numerous articles that the agreement allows
MS to supoort the MSVM until 2007.
I would hope that such "support" would include security updates.

The SUN JRE is *hopelessly* slow.
We're talking 20-30 seconds to display a frame with a few thousand menu 
entries (MSVM takes 1-2 seconds).
Plus, 2 customers reported problems that implied serious bugs in the SUN 
JRE (which disappeared when they installed the MSVM).

Hence, I consider the MSVM to be the only game in town and am highly 
recommending it.

By 2007, I would hope that Sun will grease their rusty/broken carriage.
If not, a competitor will step in and remove them from the JAVA scene 
altogether
(given the huge demand or a decent Win JRE).

Later...

At 09:26 PM 5/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 19:47, wtwalters@comcast.net wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> > I seem to remember, when I got a new XP PRo system to install on my 
> desktop,
> > that per court order, Microsoft had to discontinue production/distribution
> > of their VM.  Plus, newer revisions to I.E. had to not use the old 
> microsoft
> > virtual machine stuff.  You now have to load/use the Sun Java 
> stuff...  Most
> > computers coming from suppliers/OEM's pre-load the new java stuff from Sun
> > to alleviate customer heartaches...
>
>Coming in a bit late here...
>
>That's close to right. Actually, the court order said that Microsoft was
>allowed to distribute their own MSVM, but they had to remove all
>Microsoft-specific extensions and upgrade it to make it compatible the
>latest Sun JVM (to comply with Sun's license agreement).
>
>Microsoft refused to do that, and instead opted to remove the MSVM
>altogether.
>
>Essentially, you should treat the MSVM the same way you treat MS-DOS:
>obsolete, unsupported and useless.
>
>
>
>
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